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Kabrüggen · 01-20-2012, 11:24 AM

Is there one wire for the gauge and one for sth like the Vipec or do you just split the cable with the "signal" yourself?

***Jan*** · 01-20-2012, 11:34 AM

(01-20-2012 11:23 AM)BigBoSS Wrote: Do we need the wiedeband O2 sensor for runing the car with the vipec or just for data logging and tuning? I have a zeitronix wideband kit that works good, its great for data logging and tuning. I would like to know if its good enough for our needs? but for just running the car it will be great if I could use the serial o2 sensors? We dont like aditional costs.

All in all, is something else needed for running the car with this vipec? Do I need something else besides a data logging device (for mapping purposes) and good injectors?

vipec has its own data logger!
I am working on solutions to wiring in wideband to the narrow band. I will try and get a fix for this by the time we ship............I sent an email to Vipec's lead engineer. It is Saturday in New Zealand so no answer until Monday

**Shanne** · 01-20-2012, 11:53 AM

(01-20-2012 11:23 AM)BigBoSS Wrote: Do we need the wiedeband O2 sensor for runing the car with the vipec or just for data logging and tuning? I have a zeitronix wideband kit that works good, its great for data logging and tuning. I would like to know if its good enough for our needs? but for just running the car it will be great if I could use the serial o2 sensors? We dont like aditional costs.

All in all, is something else needed for running the car with this vipec? Do I need something else besides a data logging device (for mapping purposes) and good injectors?

Like Jan said, he working on something. If it doesn't pan out then yeah you can feed the 0-5v wire into a AUX port on the vipec and be good to go...

Penis · 01-20-2012, 12:45 PM

Is ViPEC's logger supported by VD?

If you plan on doing any sort of street tuning yourself, than a wideband is absolutely nessicary. The factory narow band sensors really dont tell you shit. If you arent doing your own tuning on the street though, you can get away with not having one installed. Pretty much every dyno I know of has it's own logging capabilities for AFR/lambada/boost/vac through probes and tailpipe sniffers.
The way I see it though, the gauges are affordable and cheap to install, plus you can never have too much info about what your engine is doing on the fly.

**Shanne** · (This post was last modified: 01-20-2012 01:54 PM by Shanne.)

(01-20-2012 12:45 PM)Canyon Factory Wrote: Is ViPEC's logger supported by VD?

If you plan on doing any sort of street tuning yourself, than a wideband is absolutely nessicary. The factory narow band sensors really dont tell you shit. If you arent doing your own tuning on the street though, you can get away with not having one installed. Pretty much every dyno I know of has it's own logging capabilities for AFR/lambada/boost/vac through probes and tailpipe sniffers.
The way I see it though, the gauges are affordable and cheap to install, plus you can never have too much info about what your engine is doing on the fly.

It will be when I get my VIPEC in Feb. Smile

EDIT He got his hands on a ViPEC log and it is now supported.

Mutant_Tractor · 01-20-2012, 01:47 PM

.... VD?

**Shanne** · 01-20-2012, 01:53 PM

(01-20-2012 01:47 PM)Mutant_Tractor Wrote: .... VD?

Virtual Dyno

http://www.bradbarnhill.com/projects/VirtualDyno/

HRM · (This post was last modified: 01-20-2012 03:46 PM by HRM.)

I don't want to rain on the parade, but I was going to buy the MXT-L and wanted it, but found some negative reviews and followed them even to the innovate forums. Some guys had three new ones all showing errors and this was very recently. Seems maybe that they had a bad batch, or there is a flaw in the design, but there were too many bad reviews and I ended up getting a butt ugly LT1 kit on ebay for $168 or so. It is digital, comes in red or blue, but I really want it for the output for the vipec and the place I have for it is under the center console so no one will see the butt ugliness. I am just too lazy to mess with this and traded the better looking new one for the butt ugly old one with a solid track record.

After I ordered, on the Vipec forum, I found them recommending a different brand, but I was depressed I already bought one so I ignored it, but it was somewhere on the forum. The innovate will certainly work fine.

Just a heads up.

(01-20-2012 09:44 AM)Mutant_Tractor Wrote: Can you buy JUST the wideband without the gauge, have it run into the ViPEC and then use your own software to display it?

From what I understood reading on the forums and install manual, the vipec needs the output from the gauge itself. There was some contradictory data, but that is what I decided they were saying. Best ask others, but that was my read.

From the vipec manual I read....

Any Analogue Volt channel may be used to accept the signal from a wide-band EGO sensor
controller. Note that VX ECU's cannot accept the signal directly from a wide-band sensor. A
wide-band controller works as an interface between a wide-band O2 sensor and the ECU.
The controller should connect directly to the sensor and output a voltage between 0 and 5V.

**Shanne** · 01-20-2012, 03:26 PM

(01-20-2012 03:09 PM)HRM Wrote: I don't want to rain on the parade, but I was going to buy the MXT-L and wanted it, but found some negative reviews and followed them even to the innovate forums. Some guys had three new ones all showing errors and this was very recently. Seems maybe that they had a bad batch, or there is a flaw in the design, but there were too many bad reviews and I ended up getting a butt ugly LT1 kit on ebay for $168 or so. It is digital, comes in red or blue, but I really want it for the output for the vipec and the place I have for it is under the center console so no one will see the butt ugliness. I am just too lazy to mess with this and traded the better looking new one for the butt ugly old one with a solid track record.

After I ordered, on the Vipec forum, I found them recommending a different brand, but I was depressed I already bought one so I ignored it, but it was somewhere on the forum. The innovate will certainly work fine.

Just a heads up.

(01-20-2012 09:44 AM)Mutant_Tractor Wrote: Can you buy JUST the wideband without the gauge, have it run into the ViPEC and then use your own software to display it?
From what I understood reading on the forums and install manual, the vipec needs the output from the gauge itself. There was some contradictory data, but that is what I decided they were saying. Best ask others, but that was my read.

Yeah some company's have bad batches of stuff sometimes. I will get mine and test it and see how it goes. I love my LC-1. Thanks for the heads up though.

As far as the cable. It depends on the wideband. If its a good one it will have a 0-5v feed coming off. If its cheap...good luck. My LC-1 it comes off the wideband wires itself, the MTX-L it comes off the gauge as its one unit. The AEM UGEO I also believe comes off the gauge. Its all tied in though....need less to say as long as you get a good wideband you are going to have a 5V feed on it....

HRM what were the problems they were having with them?

HRM · (This post was last modified: 01-20-2012 03:40 PM by HRM.)

(01-20-2012 03:26 PM)Shanne Wrote: HRM what were the problems they were having with them?

This is what I saw. Honestly, with my bad back, I just can't deal with underdash much and that had a huge effect on my decision. You can find some here

http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/forum...y.php?f=23

And I think I looked at the Amazon reviews,
http://www.amazon.com/Innovate-Motorspor...ewpoints=1

sometimes I google things like this. I can't quite remember.